Roger Nelson – GCP – Transcript


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If we can really understand what Dr. Nelson is telling us that this episode would have delivered the message that a sound everything involved with constructing audio I really do that a you have done here is very great time to really find absurd ecumenism with Dr. Roger Nelson is the director of the conscious project and international multi-laboratory collaboration founded in 1987 to study collective consciousness from 19 82,002 he was the coordinator of research at Princeton engineering anomalies research laboratory at Princeton University’s professionals focus is the study of consciousness and intention and the role of the mind in the physical world is working great science spirituality and includes research studies directly focused on numinous communal experiences Roger welcome to the human experience can audit area much of the human experience is is really you but so we tried to do here anyway I think the type of following the global consciousness.her for a while and it’s really interesting when you guys are doing but let’s let’s start with you know you how did you how did you get into this how and where did you how do you decide to follow no consciousness and how it affects our lives and I think it’s really public best to regard to the citizens of some coincidences and others called synchronicity is a to to this the questions and tasks that I find particularly interesting which means that gas of I started as a teenager looking for books on a martial arts moves in Nebraska will motion was but

I found one you about the economy started there was the many years because it into the research ship the battle but I have to say as a kind of specific reason for meetings and the serendipitous temptations that led me to envision what a person is of utmost interesting to a imagine a conventionally trained psychologist and specializations in the physiology and perception of misrepresenting the diet to that stuff was interesting to me because I think human consciousness has so much for that don’t understand them so much that it’s important for us to understand it is nice to work with you very very interesting to just looking at your page related to the behavior of our network of resources correlated with interconnected human consciousness scale was is me so we had we have used when an event sort of the random number generator is sort of all of the planet and how they work well I can do is they should do you believe a description of how the political random number generator works but the more important thing is what it means to interconnected consciousness will start with the physical devices and electronic and based on the quantum

process is called timely tunneling amounts to electrons passing through the Internet expected to the kind of you will do is set up to entrances which is just below the cost of one direction set up with the squires on the product the numbers set of pressure against the barrier will function a vehicle to find backwards to this junction forward what happens is that by some process and ultimately not continuing about a few of them is cited barrier and professions that provides us with a tiny sample the tying voltage is being morally penetrated as in the power is that produces a sequence of ones and zeros to knows that the cost to them and that is going to time and had counted how many as to write down in the files and some of the 200 bits the second is a whole other world soon as an element of conflict that’s right going to see a unpredictable element level of computer scientist and is the result of this is that one or zero and later at home with everything moral systems

so there will be 5051 zero have on average is just you try to push that distribution laboratory experiments in consciousness experiment are actually asked the question of just playing the consciousness is integrated when large numbers of people are sharing a moment in the history of emotional event to present this information with the.and the dog has different colors to and it measures the coherence in so to people are saying that people are thinking or feeling to measure what there’s like how they’re feeling if it is connected in some way that is posted in the physical space was no connection at the end but in this book describe a correlation between moments of the historically important moments where a lot of people are paying attention to changes in the in the network also know the samples were as between emotion on the part of the large numbers of state sharing the reactions that changes in order to Also need correlations between music and was separated by thousands of miles using some kind of a correlation transversely almost between the collective intention of this emotional consciousness can output is start the tests the prediction that would make the most of the evidence exists that is happening but think about it and very personal small-scale terms that make somebody is just the soulmate that you have an immediate kind of connection but it doesn’t take long for the automatic mechanical resonant connection to a call love and the something new to the continent, and that he was seeing

in the know in a mass consciousness of something similar to a grand scale for millions of people are participating in a kind of connection to remember something from outside London tragedy of giant celebration share a synchronized way you say kinds of emotions is like a full load with each other without knowing it was completely understand your sort of Paul connected to his estimate is presented back to what generators look like just computers and were boxes and how does that work the other boxes that are connected the computer and says that small pack of cigarettes and much box is in the box was as you sow is about 13 inches use a lot is 2 in.² about diabetes in which the connection to run special software custom software just collects the it’s the part about the trials of 200 and writes the sum of 200 bits per second file that computers connected to an administrative answers to the bachelor the sins of the packet is to put instead where laziness reported for a card on our main to all of the color matrix by the way this little from my site: news network building the kind of electrocardiogram as a PEG for various items of a diagram in the GG is a nationally syndicated community the world the devices report their dated and it’s time synchronizer is a second to do from the same second of wind up in the archival data can flow to the time industry project workflow is going on in the world see on the size of things you go about jumping from the conception of this route you had the initial conception of his idea and then you don’t actually involved diodes or psychiatrist standard for wind generation is processed are exposed to the point is right out from its conception that are talking about the random number generators the that’s a fairly important technology and science and the rest of the applications are in a meeting the photography your

graphic encoding of materials can so that depends on having this sequence as this was the effectiveness of data connections with choppy was just moments to read and all edit out whatever I can IN these random number generators are used also in a life to test the testing a call for a bit this is a true application is in the automotive ride around what is reported that she is currently shaking so with all kinds of things like that is used to a lot of purposes of science and we just because a believe the public benefits and were not for us to do something that is a set of standard for engineering folks to do so is whether people intentionally continued a number is number generator was because this by definition something amusing the future is simply not predictable and unknown in the music changed the prototype of the them extends you a nuisance were doing something settlement interaction of consciousness was supposed to seem like the way to approach inside set of situations where is unpredictable sequence was a time to ask people to change the expected average from to something a little bit different to higher numbers as many trials of you guys actually conducted the these experiments it is a doing the talking about the intention experiments I guess would be the man will cost this project which is a little different because of them have somebody trying to change the thing to do is this a correlation with the events in the world a new estate now something like 70 GB of data which is 200 bits per second for across-the-board to 60 votes for 15 years of the feminine gigabytes of slight as we can think of it 3200 and trials of time so as the times 200 and it’s a lot of the trials was the prince is pretty prestigious place to do stuff that I guess you are working with the anomalies research pair will you because you there is redoing the perception research

doing basically three things the remote perception research which we often is called will perception that can set it up so the charge of the persons pie-in-the-sky was but that’s a little bit of detail to remove you the same as same as the people for whom remote viewing reasonably in Wisconsin focus a lot of attention on it cognitively saluted the Stoic to you are able to see you were able to assign these random kind of people to how you explain is that are good for you as to volunteer generally speaking movement people were interested soon is completely random people comes and says I’d like to experiment will perception experiment is it okay to do this in a describe what is little bit more lead up to them that I sent you yourself to as the other person is supported with somebody that is known to trifles with partners and vision that the news tomorrow at 2:00 PM and is just coming back relax and describe the patent is a mix and schedules alternative record whatever answer this yes or no questions in the? Some like is it outside to our sharp corners been as this “binary descriptor was calculated as forward as one way to show the people is much better descriptions and is a limit should be able to feedback from principle dictates all the stuff coming this first coming to you and your bug different brightness is an interesting question is that there was a tenable variety of the responses of people thought it was a terrible thing to such a work to be done on the premises and is punishing the name itself to José to in

the unrecorded Princeton University is being a place where academic freedom and the kind of respect for him as the, or placed midwives that we have attacks from the critics and naysayers but you actually set this up to some of the reporting for way too much of his valuable time into the defending against those kinds of numbers we was there with some of each diagram I would like to run to the turns out that the higher the level standing by saying like Nobel Prize winners demonstrate interest to is that it’s as trying to beef up their is that there’s a guy named Hoffman he rode through the article and the skeptical Inquirer said that the pair the parents to was considered an embarrassment to science that protection by community said that it is this Inquirer this goes you pointed to use in this first of the old school materials sciences but he heads would be merging information’s coming out as excessive as you like me to reality on a hyper dimensional level and have you seen this kind of amalgamation of the hard and now it seems like almost spiritual aspects to have visited out that there converted with the data that he doesn’t even put forth Thursday the minimum

intellectual integrated Airbus disciplines and was the territories that use the those in other words there are more people know that the bright ones as other ones that are leading the pack anyway to opening up a so I think when the pedestrian people at the meeting but the truth is that the creative imagination can see first destroying science is not an embarrassment to the institution to allow the created world scientific research in an area that has been done well is not an embarrassment status acquitted a people is in and Rossman will love you and I don’t even support his work as it’s the 60s talking about is a feeling about the business that in the institution of so you see a lot of criticism is called pseudoscience one absent much time as the criticizing it but there was another was a lot of criticism that was going towards the repairs that wife close about what you are to the GP or role and all I retired in 2000 and started using the 1997 so you laureates are kept on doing that my wife’s overtired the film is a interest in the business material that there has been some places except the way to the Wikipedia entries on anything related anomalies research neuropsychology

psychic research the near-death experiences is that stuff was at the edge and there is a dedicated cadre of the so-called all dedicated to the lives of their apparently considerable amounts of time trashing anything that gets written about projects in these things infamous fringe really a union in a direct and you will see that should start coming noticeable shift recurring themes I think so this is all you have people with the very strong commitment to opponent to change them so as about that you have to ask you another as the researcher out of Cambridge children in his work more for resident concerts of you guys collaborate all of the global consciousness Project or is you feel that if you are familiar with his works that how does this for bigger picture seems like these are almost the them is melting pot of the two ideas is just the sound) provides for the goods of the consideration of a love that night when I think this one was created when productive than what the scientists researchers on the planet is adequate to you to back off from what he thinks is the is the right way to go there and will haven’t done much normally called collaboration to talk about a Olson’s is about it a

height of a long time ago I spoke scheduled to as a kind of think we need something like residents to explain this was interconnection of 70 to a homosexual rights and a biological imperative is is a suspect is a agency biological imperative because I think is that we have recognized that what’s happening on this planet being pushed to the election by human beings is not a tremendous things in a city is so biological imperative and since left on the planet human to have to come to a kind of a woman to respect each other and to collaborate than the first stuff for you to come like a development toward inheritance to use your books like 900 hundred monkey Effexor may have been better that occurring on nonphysical reality it seems like an issue to be some kind of magic of purpose for this linkage on brass unconscious level in the logo so to speak and forcing the ball tomorrow follows abuse of these monkeys or transferring skills under islands after certain amount of resident monkeys the by a single that there is the investment criticized insert nevertheless is attributed terrific metaphor may be true to the but the more basic tools that you use is that there is a change of this planet talk about some of the parapsychological exercises that you guys were conducting-doping stink like telekinesis and by kind of changing stuff with your mind which which sounds intriguing to me. The specific lessons will know I I just would like to know like what you guys are doing over at

It was really about is part of pair pairs research rate this is the first of the major experiment was one: Re: G experiments and St. Louis uses the random number generator: plan an event generator is basically mirrors experiment for individuals to sit down with the machine on the table wireless radio connections’s numbers come up and which were numbers that were sent as of 200 bits numbers numbers like when I heard hundred and 794 runs over the moon instruction to try to get worldwide numbers and unconditional numbers in a different commission than those other conditions is like a machine when it is normally people that I loan based on news years probably I think 12 years was the last summary paper only found to be well gathered strong evidence that in statistical terms that was not a large effect people

could do this in a completely controls therapy management environment so another words intentions the people had registered some in the data produced by these random number devices there was a connection between mind and the material mind of the machine. Like I said it’s it was a small effect so small that I might like to make sure people know that we don’t expect this anytime soon the thing it for change in your television channels «garage doors that you know what you conservatives statistically significant stars as the value of what was the actual bias

it will assume there is a kind of widely accepted so-called statistical significant that the value which is only all sizes five and $25 by doing so we aggregated many dozens half and ultimately hundreds of replications of the basic problem is a significant deviation some not some backwards but the bottom line was an accumulation that the something on your system in which subsequently looking at the similar meetings to decide once and thousand up to a 10-10 which is 1 billion probability that was the happening by chance a fascinating trying to save a significance on the basis of experiment a long series of replications of the same experiment with modifications to about things that I distance when the people were missing the machine of gender were women were better than men who smother to conclude better than one and a lot of other questions like that some physical some psychological terms of the physical thing will matter much… I think so is long and longer answering to the question to decide on significance with basically trying to learn something and just something narrative (there is there is an article that I was doing research for this conversation that I found it was conducted through Washington State University where he hides behind two people sitting in different rooms one of them was wearing like up the helmet with wires in it and the diversity was using a remote control to play a videogame one person did the person in the room was watching the video game take place the other person was in the room with watching nothing just had the kind of controller and so two people the person watching the game was supposed to send the other person a sort of mental intention bought out what to do next in game and it kind of proof a kind of proved that there was this sort of pathogenic fields connection some some sort of something bad was happening

between these two people on I think the experiments avoided there is is several different investigations have been done that kind of thing what amounts to is that is remote correlation and activity and it’s that it’s been demonstrated and say something like a half-dozen laboratories is quite remarkable and it’s a sales one of the many other pieces of evidence that consciousness does not live inside the skull solution world and the larger world leader receiver for some car transmission flow some people say it’s that said that the model would… It’s a sort of nice description but it probably is mostly happening quality like for example some of the more recent sophisticated modeling is based on something a little bit like quantum entanglement where basically was no separation in the first place of the mines are involved in an experiment like that so was there doing used always correlated in some sense but to the experimental situation is designed to let us see what the correlations designer sends to amplify a certain aspect of the correlations moved soon becomes visible as we do – this project I think people human beings are part of our always ensure that they have some very that levels by profound but there is basically very little synchronization of that most of the time and consequently is not visible have much faith of any type but since we all are to lose militarily use of 9/11 were all waiting for midnight five minutes away to lift a glass of grammar on the end you know that that’s there is a’s lesson about tolerance and synchronizer these kinds of events celebrations think this is is there it was started very good production is considered a significant impact your Internet am McKenna talked about having timely zero and is basically changing his novelty what is what his novelty what is a significant ability was the barometer for the specific or was it was really implicit was that asking how do I choose’s global Tysons choose an event that was the editor of severity to an event perhaps on the significance of it is that it demonstrated within the model sometimes moves to us this is about a half-dozen criteria but the most important ones are that a very large number people being involved be engaged by one of

the event is in it can be either a positive kind of events like New Year’s on the company when you were 20 million people come to believe in God is’s words in the but tragedy like the moon bombing of the justice days ago in Nigeria is that a suicide bomber blew himself up with in a class in a assembly always the hundreds of the kids around the children may be 50 or 60 kids damaged more of that kind of events may not be known to use numbers of the world but becomes known by way of involving the Internet for 8000 and Internet then I think is the cause and brings a lot of people are feeling of something like compassion for the sadness and maybe anchor but it is a shared motion though lots of people this is millions of people involved that they were likely to say something) in the event and will set a formal prediction for that event and then the analysis later when the natives come in to actually receive your same time was a after-the-fact sometimes elsewhere things like bombings we don’t Make a prediction about you knowing about it happens so the diseases it is identified and sets after the event occurred but the analysis is done that is the data are examined only after that hypothesis test has been registered and are not in the recall hypothesis ridges registry dessert is short trends that you guys have stopped to step to the TCP is there more coherence than normal or is it getting worse or anything else is that a lot of the question on the very good answer for B’nai I can tell you is several things that go from the data is that there are long-term trends in the data without regard to the benefit of any events then I don’t know whether this is a fair characterization but it could be something about the way the world is corresponds or maybe correlates with long-term trends in a positive direction on a direction for example started in 1997 and never get three

1998.control of the knee in 1999 Wednesday November there was a send someone my colleagues today the comparison archive correlation between presidential ratings than the long-term trends in CCP data so it was kind of slab wandering around way for a couple of years now around the house and simply 2001 started downward trend the continued so I sent pretty close to the seminary and it is a reverse and started upward trend and by the way that downward trend it’s not so easy to discover what else can be done but loses significance significantly persistence and steep as the trend so that when is the 70s to many of them things in the world under that live to any of presidential authority happened of the correspondent that will downward was during one presidential as terms and in the swing is the first part of the well Muslim in names of moments the president but I’m not saying that contributed their because another person to similar kind of analysis and found this the 20 while the dollar index is a measure of how the dollar is not monetarily ranked against other currencies for executives bed trends which correspond very nicely also to Constance project so take your pick them out of the other could be a dozen other thing all committee combinations of many things that could that could be found to correlate that might actually have something that I wouldn’t be I guess quite so interested in this work several rulings especially if such a thing as a global consciousness know some have no way of

communicating with her or even perceiving them might be able see some effects of the benefit if it was such a thing I think that might delight in the life path of baffling us) that we don’t understand what about another think about is maybe it’s like the rest of us like all of us do in changing environments and changing attitudes in some sort of like that sometimes and not so great sometimes we just know your future way to save data from the global consciousness Project comes out it’s if you satisfy just pure numbers and validity is there a scientific basis of disease continues basically showcases that there is some kind of transpersonal movie resin filled with you anticipate happening in the future is slowly becoming commonplace in a wish I could say I think it’s that I will submit something happen in my lifetime but I’m pretty so you guys are very young and some very seasonal gathering of intelligence on the planet my motion when I started this project 50 years ago was that there is there should be something like to garden shed and said production this year there were children’s legacies of intelligence from the earth very desperately needs a kind of protective shell surrounds of intelligence from this planet because were me up as is we need to govern ourselves than we need to collaborate and I had coalesced as a kind of intelligence clearance which is what the artists said the poetically but also persuasive advocate is the destiny of the revolution that we gone from single cells to complicated no insects and birds animals to humans that think and Samantha imagines a little pixel revolution there is another stage that’s easy to envision and that the combination of humans into a larger scale is working perfectly. But the company does kind of thought manage things as we have safe and beautiful productive home on this planet very interesting to this talk about White Hawk is the village is one of the land there seems like a pretty cool place is a something you started just a bunch of people, living together or exactly started by a not by me but the atheists I could say that my son Greg was wondering who started the than another of the work we working on several other people in some visit I will gladly bearing the farm on 20 acres and will inevitably having it was shopping center

several something like an eagle religion got together with others in Ray@so we proceeded to move. Anything… All right off and I don’t know how you can size of Jedi flexibility house to the student into the research and saw that you are affiliated with it wasn’t sure and looks like a really cool place to kind to be other than having a really cool beard and following the coolest jobs on the planet Dr. Nelson cure a pretty interesting character you also really really cool story and I know I know that you’re your use in your words your old I mean we making a different think that this work it has a long way to go and we bring this and were just kind of touching it and they I think it’s apparent from all the critics and the naysayers and people who kind of like talk badly about what’s going on I think that you after some time to become self apparent that we are connected that we do experience things on a global scale means that that’s kind of order trying to do here at the human experience with trying to bring awareness to that so there’s an overnight process going on it seems on I really think that’s that’s what that’s a beautiful metaphor for what happened because another there’s always something new coming on anybody who believes that we wish they had the end of the trail is just wrong and tonight I think I’d like also say people about actually know whether talking about the overall of a lot of the people who have were critical of research life happens and the professional parapsychology something that this is kind of a sad thing that they never left wind up the theme listen to the side of people I’ve ever like the editors of Wikipedia but I want to complain about that I would just get on with the business of learning as much as you can while to keep on these experiments is a queer as a gift that we are able to not in this day and age when his by the recently passed the last three decades is to do something like robots this project required the Internet you guys may be too young to love anyone with embedded in the young doubts is an area that they the privilege of watching this is a student at the outset Princeton University which is one of the original path for a lot of that going on I watched the first connections between Firestone Library of medicine that was called the computer center And is likely Library into my, my sets and computer center and makeup the EPL since the asset that was like in the ladies and in the early 90s but anyways this from the of the talk about it financial growth is no telling what will be little frightened five years know how long ago did the iPod’s phone takes storm the planet places in Africa which really is no Internet connection that you can then connect anywhere about this is complexity complexity of Sam’s death is beautiful so the I think you said it very well with the long way to go instruments to learn/surface in the note to networks

personally I know one of you trying to do is present the enough materials to interest some people in the same network and are there people will love I’m also very much interested in fostering is much like and the kind of interconnection of interconnections you guys are I don’t know how many people are a bit authority in all connected to the human XP express is probably a large number of the other hand there are a bunch is you never heard of also have a large number of insane in all fields plowing the same feelings playing same CDs and then nurturing the growth so scientists yeah my pet notions is the same time to without this myself is to find the little notes for your whose mission is to connect all provide information to everybody about everybody else exit exit it very important role that you have a look through different types of medic medic aspects of society could easily talk about archetypes and there is something to be said for that better… That pinpoint lynch pin connector that gets all these different pieces together in a variety of that I wish I had the time and energy to do with it but I was easy to the IRA and a lot of coming from people like you and people like the circle lies in the media and the same kind of things as they are there we are all over the place and the person I think this will happen within eyesight within a few years that there will be just the kind of coalescence about tremendous moves toward each other where people are no longer thinking only in terms of what I’m doing and how about

this story by addressing my project is very important to realizing that I don’t need to be first it is need to be there and connect with the other folks who are on the same path… Jessica give you an idea of these first convergences last week we had him to assure Alaska’s good time shorter and he was working with the predominant in the message it may seem to be going, on this fringe fringe with together going on from the psychedelic standpoint exploring back in a realm and do you think that’s a convergence that perhaps the global consciousness Project and people study perhaps like dogs in getting people actually getting scientists almost to perhaps use substances to explore the spaces and these ideas in a scientific manner who I think that’s possible and desirable list of this and that is a long and honorable history in spite of was historians say that no people like Terrence Laura Terrence McKenna of Bob around us and no less. Kinds of goodies so we started making connections that are doing the think was partly driven by some of it is that experiences so far nothing last one must question and to stop but on have you other than distraught I know that your

kind is strictly a scientist and you like the ordering things but have you personally experienced anything spiritual were like an out of body experience stories like that of you having like that have to will never not that I appreciate you know I’m I I have mentioned this series the meaningful coincidences I actually have a chapter in a book that I than more writing this call design by coincidence what I mean by that is the lots of what happens in my life and I think it may be more true brothers than they are the sea is the event a lot of what happens is driven by the blood of that from another perspective should be called chance that when you have one after another after another chance of dimensions that you come together in such a way it’s unbelievable that you make a certain seasonal bonus or direction than their something spiritual about that I think I have experienced a tremendous amount of what I am that I am right exactly because of that sense of profound understanding that I have doubled in my personal history will have all kinds of little littler incidents to like driving down the smooth running on the radio of the song installing the she is all right there is no problem that looked like there was difficulty when it’s over the salt right and then finding out later this friend of mine had skidded off the road into the ditch Windows and pencils work in the songs telling me to stop this sounds kind of mundane but it’s not mundane experience of gas the doctors you to having questions to wrap this up for you is or is it what’s gone on expert low-cost project are to look forward to her despair of prejudice so we direct our listeners to the shameless plugging inside the people to use it was HTC: slide slide is global – by the time their other addresses the old anywhere but most of them lined up going to the primary server which is on slow the low bandwidth connection and so people get this quarter and also motivated by the primers itself nine – Idol – my daughter was taken just Google global consciousness Project and the lands on your page the right thing will land on my favorite probably say the primary exterior of the stolen checks out of our listeners you should start yeah it’s just a quick anecdote here for close off we had our last interview I got I got an email notice that the server was overloaded because 70,000 people were clicking our part podcast link and sell something skies for further enough putting in situations is to the good problems so documented instances really really cool guy and I adeptly when I buy you a beer or whatever it is your deer drinking on these days that is all about I think that would be really cool they discipline included but thank you for letting us know your time and in your knowledge and very cool to have you on here.

Thank you it’s very late talking guys from the number of reasons one you were prepared actually pay attention to what questions might be similar to obviously in the business of bringing people together and then informing people about the process we are there is a lot to me in the and we need people like you towords is that the actually do with understanding what it means to be human action that means allows labor but I’m finally returns become partisans recently needs to scouts, you cannot put your doing your other people are doing their important task at hand and just because the see of way is because of it so so sure Ferris McCain was a scout’s Dr. Gee thanks so much guys from a and a

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